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Les nains 40.000 est une armée que je fabrique avec un pote c'est trop cool
Que d'imagination mon Dieu... Il manque plus que la jugeotte ainsi qu'une once de culture et tu aurais su qu'ils existaient avant, sous le doux nom de Squat, avec leur fluff/regles etc:
Suivre le lapin Blanc...QUOTE
ça mais se ne sont pas des nains mais des rebelles complètement conversé.
Ne partons pas dans la snoterie sans nom...
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J'espère que tu pourra nous montrer des photos un jour ?
Toujours suivre la même bete...Pour exemple cette fig Squat est partit à 371$... Mais en cherchant un peut tu auras toujours le moyen d'en trouvé déja peinte, tout ca tout ca.
Je crois même que la Cfw à en mémoire sur son Ftp, leur codex...
D'ailleurs si tu veux savoir pourquoi ils les ont arrétés, lit un peut ca, ca ne t'instruira que d'avantage.
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Posted by Jervis
I know I shouldn't get drawn on this... but... can't... resist
Seriously, a couple of points just so you can have an informed debate
based on the real reasons that Squats are no longer available. Be warned, it
is going to be hard reading for people that like the Squat background.
First of all, Squats were *not* dropped because they were not selling
well. There were then, and are now, plenty of other figure ranges that sell
in the sort of % quantaties that the Squats pulled down, especially when you
look across all of the ranges produced by GW rather than just those for 40K.
No, the reason that the Squats were dropped was because the creatives
in the Studio (people like me, Rick, Andy C, Gav etc) felt that we had failed
to do the Dwarf 'archetype' justice in its 40K incarnation. From the name of
the race (Squats - what *were* we thinking?!?!) through to the short bikers
motif, we had managed to turn what was a proud and noble race in
Warhammer and the other literary forms where the archetype exists, into a joke
race in 40K. We only fully realised what we had done when we were working on
the 2nd edition of 40K. Try as we might, we just couldn't work up much
enthusiasm for the Squats. The mistake we made then (deeply regreted since) was to leave them in the background and the 'get you by' army list book that
appeared. With hindsight, we should have dropped the Squats back then,
and saved ourselves a lot of grief later on.
Anyway, the Squats made it into 2nd edition, and since we were doing
army books for each of the races, we started to try and figure out what to
do with them. Unfortunately we just couldn't figure out a way to update
them and get them to work that we felt was good enough. The 'art' of working
on an army as a designer is to find the thing that you think is cool and
exciting about an army, and work it up into a strong theme. This 'muse'
didn't strike any of us, and so, rather than bring out a second-rate
product simply re-hashing the old background, we kept doing other army books
instead, with stuff we did feel inspired by.
Now, while this was all going on for 40K, we were actually doing some
rather good stuff for the Squats in Epic. On this scale there was a natural
tendancy to focus on the big 'hand-made' war machines the Squat
artisans produced, and this created an army with a feel that was very different
to the biker hordes in 40K. However, this tended to reinforce the problems
we saw in the Squat background rather than alleviate them, underlining
what we *should* have done with the Squats in 40K.
In the end (and it took years to really get to the roots of the
problem) this led to a realisation that we were going to have to drop the Squats
in their 'Squat' form from the 40K background. There was little point
having a major race that we weren't willing to make an army book for, and their
inclusion in the background meant that people kept asking us when we'd
do a Squat Codex. Instead we decided that we'd write the Squats out of the
background by saying that their Homworlds had been devoured by a
Tyranid Hivefleet. This would give us the option in the future to return to
making a race based ont he Squat archetype for 40K. This race was given the name of Demiurg, and a certain amount of preliminary work was done to get a
'feel' for what the race would be like. At present the only hint of the
Demiurg in 40K is the Demiurg spaceship for BFG. However, we do have this race 'in our back pocket' as a possible new race for 40K, or an interesting
character model in Inquisitor, or whatever. So far the Demiurg have lost out to
other projects, and it may be that their time never actually comes, as they
will have to win through on their merits, not simply because we once made
some Squat models in the past. At present, I have to say that it is more
lilely that they *don't* make the cut than do, as there is a certain predudice
these days to simply taking races from Warhammer and cross them over to
40K like we did in the early days, so it may be that the Squats/Demiurg end
up remaining a footnote in the history of the 40K galaxy. Only time will
tell...
The second point I'd like to make is about 'old moulds'. In the past,
Mail Order in the UK and US used to be the place that we kept all of the
retired moulds for Citadel Miniatures, and we used to offer a service where you
could order any Citadel Mniature ever made from MO. However, there are
now so many of these 'back catalogue' miniatures that it is simply
impossible to keep all of the old moulds in Mail Order and offer this service.
Instead, we pick and choose which back catalogue miniatures are kept available. At present we're still struggling to produce special catalogues for these
ranges (in the US there is the 'Phone Book' catalogue with everything
in it, while the UK has special 'collectors guides' that are themed round a
race).
Once we've ironed out the kinks in the way we deal with the range of
collectors models we want to keep permenantly available, the plan is to
offer up other parts of the back catalogue for limited periods of time.
In effect this will divide the back catalogue into three parts: a range of
classic models that are permenantly available, a range of classic
models we dip into and bring out for a limited release, and a range of retired
models that will no longer be sold either because we've decided that they are
embarrassingly bad, or because we are no longer allowed to sell them
due to licencing agreement changes. So far we're still slowly working on
deciding which classic models we want to keep permenantly available, and its
going to take several years to work through just those. The old Squat range is
most likely to end up as retired models, I have to say, though there is a
good chance that the Squat war engines they could simply into the limited
release classic range. Once again, only time will tell...
I'll finish off by saying that whatever we decide to do 'officially',
there is nothing stopping players with Squat armies from using them, either
in Epic or 40k for that matter. There is no GW 'rule' against using old
Citadel Miniatures, as long as you use them with exisiting army lists and in a
way that won't cause confusion for other players. I recommend taking a
positive stand by saying "Have you seen these cool old models' They're called
the Squats and GW used to make them back in the late eighties/early
nineties. I love 'em, so I count them as Imperial Guard and use them with the
current rules..." Put like this I can't imagine that anyone would stop you from
using your army.
Best regards,
Jervis Johnson
Head Fanatic
(En provennance de la Feweu)
Damned
- Supposez que je sollicite de vous en tant qu'étranger en route vers l'Ouest de chercher ce qui a été perdu, qu'est-ce que vous diriez ?
- Dans ce cas je dirais : d'où venez-vous mon ami ?
- Et je vous répondrais : de l'Est tout en espérant que vous irez transmettre mon message à la Veuve pour le salut de tous ses fils...
L'armée de vos rêves, Question simple mais intéressante
28/11/04 , 18:25
